Caledonian Railway Association Forum

Hello Mike
The last paragraph of prose in attached scan from an old Model Railway News seems like the answer re the openings

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Hello fellow Mike W
The original flat flame burner gas lights were lit from the roof - only one pipe. When incandescent burners were adopted round about 1908 the lamps were lit from inside the carriage from a pil0t light (two pipes) see CR carriages pp78-9

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Hello Ross As I said on p.79 the brown vans were lettered in medium chrome yellow according to the SLS publication. On scant photographic evidence the white panelled vans the large letters were in a dark colour and may have had shading. All the photos are out of focus when enlarged so you can't tell...

Hello John

There's a table on page 8 of More on Caledonian Wagons. I've since identified more (!), so let me know which wagon diagram interests you and I'll see if I can help.

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As a PS to my last post, Jim Summers also uses the Railway Gazette material to greater effect than I in Operating the Caledonian part 1. I'm posting this because Jim seems to be too modest to mention it himself.

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Hello Douglas As far as I can tell the wagons are either Diagram 46 or Diagram 22 after modification with sprung buffers Don't know the answer to your next question. I don't know of any book covering all the info you want, but some is in True Line 72 which is a reproduction of an article from a 1922...

Just two, Jim

There are pictures of BR 16T mineral wagons with brakes one side only in Paul Bartlett's collection.

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I saw the reference in an accident report ,Jim, as no doubt you did. Just a teaser............

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Talking about CR speedy things, perhaps we should start discussing the Flying Squad...........

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Hello Henry

There's information in Chapter 4.3 of the carriage book. Basically the Drummond colour schemes continued into the McIntosh era. Hope this helps

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Mike - the whole saga is described from page 33 onwards. It shows how laggardly the railway companies (and its regulator the BoT) were - not very edifying reading. Glad you like the book.

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I don't think that McIntosh was reserved Allan. There's an anecdote in Nock's book about some bigwig enthusiast bursting into the drawing office at St. Rollox and McIntosh greeting him with "have they let you out of the asylum?" (translation from the doric). It may indeed have been MacDonald. Best M...

Hello Peter I thought someone would have replied by now, so I'll try to put you out of your misery. The Pickering order books only mention "Brown oxide." 10 ton wagons were built in 1900 with white letters shaded blue numbered 651-700. 12 ton wagons were built in 1902 (700 - 1000), 1904 (1003 - 1202...

G P Neele of the LNWR calls the connection a "clip" in his book which contains a pretty damning critique of the Harrison cord from an operational point of view.

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The answer's in the Carriage Book page 36 onwards.

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Lindsay, I don't see any reason for the underframes varying for the different body styles. So supplement drawing shows Vs offset to the end away from the brake stanchion. The other two body styles (original wagon book pp.246-7) show the same offset, but you can't se the stanchion. Lamp stanchions mo...

Don't know about Exactoscale's plans David. I was thinking mofre on the lines of a Slaters component.

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Calling 7mm scale modellers. If you are coming to the AGM, could you bring a set of RCH 1907 w-irons along for me to borrow or take measurements from? I want to get the ironwork on the solebars of the private trader wagon correct. I think I know what the measurements should be, but I've suddenly los...

If you're talking about the Diagram 114 wagons, the first lot were built in 1913 as a result of a complaint from Stewarts and Lloyds about failure to supply suitable wagons to carry pipes for the modernisation of Glasgow's water supply - see wagon book p.129.

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Alan and David apologies, I was guilty of over-simplification. The Diagram 21 and 22 wagons had 3in thick sides and the 46 and 59 had 2.5ins. In all cases the inside oak planks were 1 in thick.

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That niggled me too, Tom, especially as the book's appendix categorically states the 'Lanky' is NOT the L&YR!

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You don't need to interpret it, Dave. As stated on p.89 of the wagon book 'The outer planks, made of pine, were 2 inches thick. Inside, the door wasa lined with 1-inch thick planks of oak running vertically, which were screwed to the outer planks.' That statement also answers your second question Be...

Hello Douglas Glad to be of help. I don't think you necessarily need Morton brakes both sides. The important upgrade was that the brake had to be applied from either side of the wagon, with the brake lever at the right hand end. This was what the CR put on the Diagram 59 wagons built in the 1920s. T...

I covered the traders' version of the Diagram 22 brake gear in the wagon book p.120 and there's a photo on the next page. You can get an etch from NBR 4mm developments.

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Hello Mike W!

The narrow plank is as depicted in the NBR book I cited and also in five photographs in Wagons of the LNER - North British.

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