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You're right Jim S. Drawing 12063 shows the brake arrangement for the first van to order G210. It shows the linkage between the two brake columns and the Westinghouse brake cylinder that was fitted to the protoype van - and fiendishly complex it is. A later drawing (14022) shows the arrangement with...

Thanks Arnold - good reading as you say. To turn the narrative to CR matters, the Carriage Register transcription says that 23 semi-corridor carriages built to various diagrams finished up as camping coaches, converted in 1936, with a further 3 in 1956 to replace 3 of the earlier conversions. Additi...

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Mike

I was looking at the well-known Washington Wilson picture of Brechin station and came across something that puzzles me. The extract from the photograph below shows the two platform roads and the centre road. I'm assuming that the points out of shot at the bottom are set for the two platform roads. T...

Hello Allan There are two SRX official photograohs of LNWR Experiment class 4-6-0 City of Manchester at Glasgow Central. It hauled the 2.00 pm Corridor on 19th June 1909. There's another picture of it passing through Cambuslang station. The three photographs are on the SLS photo website. There was s...

No upset on my part, Larry. Like the ends of goods brake vans, it's a vexed question - and my reply was a bit over-vexed! It doesn't add anything substantive to the evidence for the Caley, but according to West Coast Joint Stock LNWR carriages had ends the same colour as the sides. The statement is ...

The liveries are so well executed. I have been upgrading my ex-LNWR stock which I built in...1982. How time flies. I see you painted the ends in red/brown (Sienna Red?); I reckon that is right as I'm having difficulty finding a definitive answer in Jim M and Mike W's books. I quoted the various ref...

It's part of an NRM photo, entitled Birmingham Central Goods from Severn Street 26th September 1922.

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Mike

Hello Douglas I don't have any pictures of open wagons loaded with sleepers (does anyone out there have one?) but sleepers were too long to load transversely. You may be interested in this picture, which shows how lengths of timber were loaded. The overhang was to the rear when the train was in moti...

From information in Pickering despatch records and traffic records at Panmure, Doune, Muir of Ord and Callander Junction, open goods wagons (not just pre-diagram book ones, which were treated identically to Diagrams 15 and 24) had the following unsheeted loads. Timber, including sleepers and pit pro...

Wagon book p.113, Jim

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Mike

The only conversions in CR times that I know of, Lindsay, were some D47 passenger brake vans to kitchen cars for brakedown trains in 1917 and saloon 1419 into a travelling dormitory (wagon book pp. 281-2). The LMS did quite a lot of conversions, as the transcript of the carriage register will tell y...

It's lack of evidence, Lindsay. Looking at the SRX photographs with diagram 7 breakdown vans (Wagon Book p.279 is one example), the colour tone looks the same as the adjacent wagons to me. Lack of evidence again to be absolutely definite about the re-use of carriage underframes, but I don't think so...

Jim, there are various plans at NRS dated around 1911/12 for the both station and shed at Dalry Road. For instance RHP19306 is for "Plans, sections and elevations (3) of engine shed to be renewed" In the search section in the NRS catalogue enter Dalry Road in the top of the three boxes and...

I know that it's slightly out of the timeframe, but there's a report in the Railways Archive site of an accident at Glasgow Central involving a football special coming back from Crosshill on 24/01/1925. Presumably the match was either at the Third Lanark ground (Cathkin Park) or Queens Park. All the...

In an accident report for 1920 at Bankend Colliery, the term "brakesman" was used. After the Grouping, it seems that both passenger and goods employees were called "guard"

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Mike

Hello Lindsay There is a photo in the wagon book - helpfully in the cattle section, page 183. I can't see whether there are tie bars across at the doors. Carrying sheep fell within the scope of the Diseases of Animals Act which specified the lime-wash treatment after each journey in traffic (WTT sup...

Three of Michael's genuine plates are shown in the Wagon Book, p.117

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Mike

You're right in your interpretation, Jim. Pickering records are complete from 1898, but Hurst Nelson's records haven't survived, as far as I know. Other Scottish manufacturers were the Motherwell Wagon & Repair Co. and the Hamilton Wagon Works. Both built small numbers of wagons for the CR towar...

Ronnie Cockburn compiled lists of traders wagons registered with the Scottish companies, which I have on disc. The CR register is mostly based on information from the R Y Pickering order book records. Unfortunately 26247 doesn't figure, although I can tell you that the wagon was registered in July/A...

Hello Roger

There are 142 photographs of Beattock station and its immediate environs in the Scottish Line Societies' archive.

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Mike

The only picture in the SLS catalogue has 15209 at Bankfoot with two ex CR 45ft carriages in LMS livery.

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Mike

Another factor concerning the date of this photo is the carriage livery. The rear one is definitely in CR colours and I think that the front one is too, but dirtier. Counting the lamp tops of the second vehicle suggests an 8-compartment 3rd. Can you confirm that Niall off the original photo? The fro...

I think you're right about the carriage identities, Niall and I'd go along with your theory about the first one as a strengthener. Is it a Saturday morning or something like that? I don't suppose the picture is dated............

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Mike

8551 only just made 1896, Michael, as it was attached to number 20, the last of three 10-ton cylindrical tank wagons built by Pickering for the Clippens Oil Co. of Loanhead on 31st December. The tanks didn't see much use because the company suspended production as a result of a 10-year long law suit...