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by bdrummond
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:08 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back
Replies: 5
Views: 815

Re: Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back

Thank you gentlmen for your comments.

Bob Drummond
by bdrummond
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:29 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back
Replies: 5
Views: 815

Re: Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back

But surely the normal Caley route from Carlisle to Dumfries would have been by Lockerbie and the Dumfries branch from there.

Bob Drummond
by bdrummond
Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back
Replies: 5
Views: 815

Day excursion Carlisle to Dumfries and back

This might at first appear to be a GSWR query but look at the route specified on the ticket. Issued in March 1935, it belongs to a collector friend Ian Gardner. We are bereft of ideas as to why such a tour would be marketed other than as a regularly available seasonal circular tour but the ticket ma...
by bdrummond
Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Not a Christmas quiz
Replies: 23
Views: 2687

Re: Not a Christmas quiz

Happy to help.

Bob
by bdrummond
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:29 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Not a Christmas quiz
Replies: 23
Views: 2687

Re: Not a Christmas quiz

Hi. I'm not sure my explanation of the pedigree of the Royal Mail vehicles at Dumfries in July 1964 has clarified the fact that the Up and Down Specials (TPOs Glasgow to Euston and vice versa) did not use the GSWR route. Apart from the possibility of diversions for reasons of weather or track mainte...
by bdrummond
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:58 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Not a Christmas quiz
Replies: 23
Views: 2687

Re: Not a Christmas quiz

I see the question asked earlier in this thread about the reason for the postal vehicles on the 06.50 parcels of July 31st 1964 from Carlisle to Glasgow which was photographed at Dumfries by Deek Cross and featured on page 59 of Steam in Scotland Volume 1 has gone unanswered. The regular northbound ...
by bdrummond
Tue May 14, 2019 4:05 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Kirriemuir Branch Line
Replies: 12
Views: 19538

Re: Kirriemuir Branch Line

Many decades ago a visit to the by then closed sidings at Balmuckety (there were two parallel roads) saw me come home with a handful of labels for wagons destined for Balmuckety but sadly they have long since gone astray. They showed a year-round traffic in draff used as animal feed, some from disti...
by bdrummond
Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Strathearn School Trains
Replies: 2
Views: 3161

Re: Strathearn School Trains

Bill I can see no evidence in the working timetable of any trains on the Perth - Crieff line in the late forties which would have served children attending Crieff schools. There was at that time, however, a long-standing unadvertised Monday to Friday mixed train which left Crieff at 4pm for Blackfor...
by bdrummond
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:57 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: GCR 2-8-0 on coal train
Replies: 17
Views: 17909

Re: GCR 2-8-0 on coal train

With regard to coal from Fife reaching Strathmore and the Caley, don't forget that the NBR and its successors had running rights by way of Arbroath to Forfar, Kirriemuir and Brechin. I have wagon labels from 1948 showing that the Michael Colliery regularly sent coal to Forfar (Branxton in the exampl...
by bdrummond
Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Law Junction as opposed to Carstairs
Replies: 2
Views: 4161

Re: Law Junction as opposed to Carstairs

Tom Thanks for your interesting response including your comments about my theories. Your comments also reminded me that the combining of the Up Special Aberdeen and Glasgow portions at Law was a phenomenon of the LMS and subsequently of BR to the late fifties. As you point out that changed to Carsta...
by bdrummond
Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:36 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Law Junction as opposed to Carstairs
Replies: 2
Views: 4161

Law Junction as opposed to Carstairs

What is the most likely explanation as to why trains such as the Up Special remarshalled at Law rather than Carstairs? Was it as simple as congestion at the latter or did the layout not lend itself to such an operation for southbound traffic? Perhaps it's neither.

Bob Drummond
by bdrummond
Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:15 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Dunblane WTT
Replies: 4
Views: 6731

Re: Dunblane WTT

I could offer copies of section C freight and passenger working timetables for summer 1961.

Bob Drummond
by bdrummond
Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:26 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Spoil bank at Cardowan
Replies: 3
Views: 5847

Re: Spoil bank at Cardowan

Assuming the siding Jim identifies from the map is the one opposite the Cardowan Fire Clay Works, I'd say that could well be the Spoil Bank Siding in question. The 1915 Caley list of goods stations, depots, sidings etc lists it under Garnkirk and gives the lessee as W. Johnstone. There are strong tu...
by bdrummond
Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:49 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Small Local Engineers' yards.
Replies: 5
Views: 7977

Re: Small Local Engineers' yards.

Allan's recollections of activity at Muirhouse Yard in the latter half of the fifties is borne out in my Glasgow South District TT&S Engine Notice for 1959 which shows that Polmadie trip S.324 (class 3FT loco) called there Mon - Sat mornings 8 - 9, 10.20 - 10.30 and finally, after a call at Egli...
by bdrummond
Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:22 pm
Forum: Structures, Equipment
Topic: Paisley.
Replies: 4
Views: 6672

Re: Paisley.

Hello Dave. Can you guide me as to whether the picture of Paisley Cross is yours and if so is there any chance of my showing it on another forum, that of the Letter Box Study Group. The interest is in the very clear view of the Penfold pillar box. There has been some doubt as to whether these boxes ...
by bdrummond
Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:58 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Bell's Yard, Glasgow
Replies: 6
Views: 9627

Re: Bell's Yard, Glasgow

The source quoted from for the Radio Times working was the Glasgow South District TT&S Engine Notice from 5th January 1959 ufn. It shows trip S.343 on Monday and Tuesday afternoons took empty vanfits from Crossmyloof to Hairmyres Factory. Later those same days loaded vanfits headed from Hairmyre...
by bdrummond
Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:13 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Bell's Yard, Glasgow
Replies: 6
Views: 9627

Re: Bell's Yard, Glasgow

Bell's Yard was indeed on the other side of the main line and level with the QPLWorks. I see in 1935 two freights from Greenock called at Bell's Yard, including one for Grangemouth. It left Greenock Harbour at 9.20PM and at Bell's Yard detached South Side District traffic and attached classified tra...
by bdrummond
Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:36 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Bell's Yard, Glasgow
Replies: 6
Views: 9627

Re: Bell's Yard, Glasgow

Jim Bell's Yard was on the up side midway between Gushetfaulds Junction\ and Polmadie Bridge Box. As far as I can tell it dealt with workings heading in an up direction only. I've not had time to go through all my material but a 1935 Marshalling of Freight Trains book shows it dispatched early eveni...
by bdrummond
Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:44 am
Forum: Rolling Stock
Topic: D High & Sons
Replies: 4
Views: 4764

Re: D High & Sons

A little more info on David High is that he first appears in Leslie's Directory for Perth and Perthshire in the mid 1880s as a labourer, later as a contractor and later still as a contractor and coal merchant. Various addresses are given as he appears to move up the social ladder but as a coal merch...
by bdrummond
Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:02 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services
Replies: 11
Views: 17465

Re: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services

Just a little more St J passenger info for you Ian from 1958. I overlooked a 12.40PM St E to St J which made calls at all stations between Shields Rd and St J. I was quite surprised to see that the lunchtime St E - St J and St J -St E workings survived as late as the 1965/66 public book, though the ...
by bdrummond
Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:45 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services
Replies: 11
Views: 17465

Re: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services

Forgot to say the Summer 1958 WTT and public TT show an advertised 6.58AM SX Bridgeton Cross to St J. There was a slightly earlier St E to Georgetown and Bishopton which also called at St J. In the reverse direction a 1.30PM originating at St J ran to St E and again it shows in both books.

Bob
by bdrummond
Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:29 pm
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services
Replies: 11
Views: 17465

Re: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services

Thanks Ian. I've now spotted one 1951 St J working which was an unadvertised workmen's SX train from Bridgeton Cross (dep 7AM) calling at Dalmarnock, Rutherglen, Hillington (now West), Paisley G St, and finally arriving St J at 7.31AM. This ran back empty leaving at 8.40AM and arriving G St at 8.42A...
by bdrummond
Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:54 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services
Replies: 11
Views: 17465

Re: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services

Sorry, there was one passenger working in 1951 which started at St James and I'll give you details later.

Bob
by bdrummond
Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:24 am
Forum: Operation, Administration
Topic: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services
Replies: 11
Views: 17465

Re: Glasgow, Gourock & Wemyss Bay Services

Hi Ian. The closest WTT I have to 1948 is Summer 1951. The way the appropriate table is laid out suggests that the Port Glasgow to Wemyss Bay workings you mention, and which connected with the 11.35 AM, 9 PM (SX) and 9.18 PM (SO) trains from Central, were not through portions from Glasgow. On the ot...
by bdrummond
Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:59 pm
Forum: Rolling Stock
Topic: Another Location to Identify
Replies: 8
Views: 6242

Re: Another Location to Identify

I'd support the idea that the train is west-bound and has just passed West Ferry station. Streetview looking west from Douglas Terrace appears to me to show the narrow gable of the same building as can be seen in the photo albeit as seen from the other end. The white buildings to the east of it appe...