Wagon Transfers

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theparley
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Wagon Transfers

Post by theparley » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:05 pm

Mike Williams' excellent book on Caledonian Railway Wagons provides the following information regarding wagon lettering.

(1) Post 1903 the condensed style was allocated to "CR" and that the letter height was 18" (6 mm in OO gauge)
(2) Tare and load characters are 2.75" square (1 mm)

HMRS/PC Models transfer sheet, "Scottish Pre-Grouping Companies Wagon Insignia" - sheet no.20 - doesn't really satisfy these stipulations. The "CR" letters are circular and, unless I am mistaken, there are no 1 mm characters. Does anyone know where best to find decals/transfers that do ?

theparley
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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by theparley » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:34 pm

Somebody must know the answer to my question. If so, I would be delighted if you can tell me.

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by Coronach » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:44 pm

Can't as yet vouch for the accuracy but Railtec do a set of Caley and also N**** B****** wagon transfers.

Dave.

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by theparley » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:18 pm

I should have replied earlier.

Railtec do indeed have Caley wagon decals but they are currently out of stock. I have indicated my interest and await notification, although my modest requirements are unlikely to have them dashing to the printers.

From the image provided on their website, there seems to be plenty of "CR" decals but disappointingly, only one pair of "LOAD 8 TONS", which increases the cost of each D22 or D46 wagon quite a bit.

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by Coronach » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:22 pm

Steve is quite open to commissions so I reckon he would be amenable to doing a specific sheet with these brandings for the Dia 22/46. If you can confirm the actual requirements from the sheet for these vehicles, I'm happy to ask on members' behalfs.

Dave.

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by theparley » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:53 pm

Because of the lack of balance in the sheet - plenty "CRs" and not enough "Load 8 Tons" - I only bought 2 sheets at a cost of £12.19 including postage - resolving to either find other "load" decals from elsewhere or to hand-letter them as best I could. If a re-designed sheet to meet the required balance was available, I would certainly be interested. However, only when the re-designed sheet was viewed, would it be possible for me to say how many sheets I would need, but it wouldn't be a lot. It's a chicken-and-egg situation really. One does wonder why the present sheet was prepared in the way it was.

Douglas Teenan

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by lindsay_g » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:49 am

Their CR sheets are pretty restricted in what they offer - the NBR sheets more or less follow the same pattern. Chances are that no vehicle could be produced with load, tare, and wagon number correct for that vehicle. Do they actually sell many of the CR sets? We could do with something that is far more flexible such that the modeller could mix and match, albeit it that it would be more fiddly for the modeller to achieve.

Might Railtec be open to the idea of producing several sheets, say 1 with CR predominantly and, say, lots of numerals to make up vehicle numbers; another with load and tare weights; somewhere amongst these 2 we might have LOCO, COKE, IRON ORE and the likes. Or a third sheet with more specialised things such as the home base for goods brakes (put me down for some "Edinburgh Goods"), names of supposed or real brakemans' names, or several alphabets-worth of upper/lower case letters (for the masochists amongst us) that would also do for specialised needs on other wagons

An idea being put forward from an individual, even one backed with pledges from a number of others might not carry much weight. What if Railtex were guaranteed a certain number of purchases? Might the Association be prepared to pledge to purchase a number of sheets if they were designed to our needs, which they can then sell on to member? That might make it a more viable proposition to Railtec.

Don't suppose there will be a lot of demand for "Steam Crane Brake Van" out there, is there?

Lindsay

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by MIKEWILLIAMS » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:56 am

The other item needed is transfers to replicate the two types of cast number plate. There has been talk of this in the past, including printing specific wagon numbers to order, but nothing tangible has appeared.

Best

Mike

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by David Elvy » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:47 pm

I am in need or some transfers to final complete a number of different wagons and cam across this thread.

Did any transfer sheets in either 4mm or 7mm scale get resolved and produced?

David

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by jimwatt2mm » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:20 pm

In a thread on the 2MM finescale section of RMWeb (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try2959222 etseq) David Philip asked about CR wagon transfers. I replied directing him the the Railtec ones, but pointing out that they can work out rather expensive. In response Steve posted:

Now there's a comment I don't see very often! The availability of a specialist artisan product for an even more obscure subject matter for somewhat less than a fiver was a pretty good deal I thought, but then this is a hobby of widely varying opinions and scopes of informed reference afterall. There's a "question or comment?" link on every product page where folks could get in touch and recommend suggestions/amendments so that products can evolve for everyone's benefit. But sometimes it's more fun to sit down with a cup of tea and trawl the forums in an insatiable quest for one person to develop both depth as well as breadth of knowledge of the vast universe of railway insignia from 1890 through to the present day

I then replied saying that the main problem was the fact that there were only 2 each of the load markings, to which Steve's response was

It's useful info Jim. Now I know that I can evolve the sheet on its next print run to have wider appeal - or at least if I could get an understanding of what those markings looked like and their sizes. It just helps expedite that process if folk can drop me a line directly to let me know, otherwise the chances of me seeing it on a forum thread are actually pretty slim and I'll never be any the wiser. I've got a pretty solid knowledge of railway insignia from early 80s onwards, and prior to that I have to be guided by what I read, see, learn from others and what modellers indicate would be useful on a sheet. I've learned a lot in the past 10 years but I don't think it will ever be possible for one person to have the depth and breadth of knowledge of even most main topics.

It's entirely possible that the sheet in its current form was evolved with the help of someone who may have had a bunch of wagons which had most of the markings you mention already present and simply needed new numbers and brandings. I'm here to develop products that help as many people as possible, and certainly in some of the lesser modelled areas (CR being one) I need guidance in doing that because I just don't have the specialist knowledge that subject matter experts already have. Best I can do is put something out there, and if it can evolve in a constructive way then I'm all ears.


I have sent him a PM directing him to Mike's wagon book, but it would seem he is keen to hear suggestions for improvements.

Jim W

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by jimwatt2mm » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:58 pm

Excerpt from a further post http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try2960797by Steve noting the fact that the last sheet had just been purchased:-

......a timely juncture for me to enhance the pack based on suggestions. I've already added more 8/10 tons (along with 6 and 12 tons). I'd also like to add LOCO COAL ONLY based on Jim's suggestion but without knowing what size it needs to be, it'd be too much of a gamble. The LOCO / 16 TON / COKE and IRON ORE which are already on the sheet work out at 5.5" lettering - which is not something I would have come up with myself when designing the sheet but must have been on the advice of a customer, so if those are not correct then it's an open invite for people to speak up. I'm also tempted to add WAGON to that list which opens up the possibility of COKE WAGON, though that would then require LOAD 40 TONS, open up the can of worms of how many would be required and should the larger vehicles even have their own sheet (I try to keep sheets small, specific and relevant so that folks aren't forced down the route of having to purchase huge sheets when they might only use 25% of it).

As is so often the case when designing decal sheets, it's an impossible task to please everybody all the time, so your suggestions with what would be useful as well as info on specific sizes would be to everyone's benefit.


I'm sure he would welcome any suggestions direct http://www.railtec-models.com/contact.phpvia the link on his website.

Jim W

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by theparley » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:06 am

Railtec Wagon Transfers

I am not able to specify the size of letters and numbers for Caley stock but in that I always seek to make a minimum of three examples of each wagon type, my preference would be that any new 4mm Railtec transfer sheet should contain a minimum of six of each standard (tare/load/Loco Coal/Coke Wagon etc) marking, with the various "CR" letters being on a separate sheet.

Using the given link, I have posted this to Railtec and hope that someone more knowledgeable than me can specify sizes.

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Re: Wagon Transfers

Post by Dave John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:10 pm

As you can tell from my previous posts I get by with an assorted mix of transfers. If Railtec do a specific CR sheet I will buy some so they can add me to the market, you can never have enough transfers.

Mind you having a box of brand new scalpel blades to hand helps a lot. 8s become 3s, 1s from all sorts, 9s are 6 upside down. If I wanted an easy life I would be modelling blue diesels.....

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