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smokebox front wings

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:07 pm
by Graham Tipple
Sorry if I'm filling this forum with daft questions. Here's one (two?). I really like the smokebox wings but note that the LMS removed them. What advantage did they give? Were they only cosmetic? Best wishes, Graham

Re: smokebox front wings

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:29 pm
by Steve Parsons
Cosmetic only..... Yes

Advantages.... None

It was a fashion of the time for Scottish engines. some may argue that it diverted grit and muck away from the inside motion where as it most likely caused a vortex and probably increased it but I think that's all with hindsight with modern knowledge back then it was purely fashion

Re: smokebox front wings

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:11 pm
by jimwatt2mm
My impression is that it was a cosmetic 'nod' back the the Crewe type front end of the Connor era in which there was a smooth 'flow' from the smokebox to the outside cylinders, the latter being angled up through the running plate. That's just my 'take' on them, backed by no evidence whatsoever! :roll:

Jim W

Re: smokebox front wings

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:03 pm
by lms14509
What about adding stability to the front end of the loco? (Given expansion with heating /cooling ?)

Re: smokebox front wings

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:00 pm
by Steve Parsons
lms14509 wrote:What about adding stability to the front end of the loco? (Given expansion with heating /cooling ?)
Then why remove them en masse in late Caley early LMS days. By the 1920s fashions had changed and it was felt it made them look old fashioned and too Victorian so as they were shopped they were removed.