Grampian coach at Bolton

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jimwatt2mm
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Grampian coach at Bolton

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A fellow 2FS modeller has sent me this scan with the following message (edited):-

For many years I have been trying to identify a coach in pictures of a RCTS rail tour at Bolton Great Moor Street. This is in ‘Scenes from the past:10 Railways in and Around Bolton’. The caption says its 4th April 1959, but this is wrong as it shows ex L & Y 2-4-2T no. 50644, withdrawn c. October 1958. After a bit of digging I managed to find out that the railtour was a RCTS Manchester and District tour dated 26 July 1953.

Anyway, I was fairly certain that the mystery coach was ex Caledonian because of the style similarities, but I couldn’t find an exact match. .... I then had a close look at the Caledonian coaches in Historic Carriage drawings, and final realised that the coach in the pic is a Grampian 12 wheel BCK, or at least I am sure it is.

My question is why and what was it doing in Bolton?


The coach in question would appear to be a Dia 95 brake composite as he suggests. I have proposed to him that in LMS days anything could end up anywhere, and even more so in BR days.

I thought this might be of interest and if anyone has anything to add I will pass it on.

Jim W
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Re: Grampian coach at Bolton

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Sorry everyone, I forgot to include the scan last night. just realised it after I had switched my computer off. C-nile virus again! :oops:
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I have a higher resolution version I can send by email if anyone wants it.

Jim
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Re: Grampian coach at Bolton

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Would agree it is a "Grampian" BCK but whether it is D95 or D95A is hard to see even from the higher resolution scan. They were very similar as the attached drawings will show.
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If I were to plump for one it would be D95 as I _think_ there are 4 panels next to the double doors.

What was it doing in Bolton? I suggest it was a high capacity coach for which there was no regular duty by that time in its life and thus ideal for a railtour. Does anyone have access to the RCTS journal which covers the tour? More detail might be found there.

Jim Smellie
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Re: Grampian coach at Bolton

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I agree that it looks like a Dia.95 BCK, at such a late time in it’s career and long gone from top link work, I’m sure it was almost normal too find pre-grouping vehicles far from they’re original territory but still in the former LMS areas.

I did find this information about the tour on Six Bells Junction which includes an anecdote on how the over length train was dealt with at Bolton Great Moor St.
https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/50s/530726rc.html

BrianSmith
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