Another Coach Mystery

Any aspect related to the prototype stock.
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Alisdair
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Another Coach Mystery

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This is an extract from a photo recently donated to the Highland Railway Society. It shows a southbound train in Blair Atholl station in early LMSR days. The first coach, as shown on the extract is clearly a Caley beast. It seems to show a 57 foot Brake Composite with two Firsts followed by 4 Third compartments. The closest I can find in Mike's book is Diagram 111, but, in that Diagram, the compartments (as shown in Figure 9.47) are 4 Thirds followed by the 2 Firsts. It must have been dual fitted, as the loco is an HR Loch, with no Westinghouse pump.
Could this just be a Diagram 111 variation? One of the later Lots, perhaps?
Alisdair
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caleyJim
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I'll need to dig deeper but I'm not sure this is a Caley vehicle. If it were a derivative of D111 I'd expect it to look more like the D110B Brake Third shown in Plate 9.23 of Mike's book, livery apart. I'll try and get some time over the weekend to research further.

Jim :D
jimwatt2mm
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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These ventilators above the doors don't look Caley to me. they certainly don't seem to be on the 57ft stock.
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caleyJim
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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To support my argument I offer this picture from an article by Alan Earnshaw in BRJ No 30 which I believe shows an ex-Caledonian 57' BCK to Diagram 111 at Elvanfoot on the last day of service on the Leadhills branch.

Jim :D
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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Note the absence of door ventilators.

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Mike 1
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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I know little about Caledonian carriages, but could it be WCJS D40? Ten built in 1913.

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Just to clarify, in 1913 the WCJS were using the toplight style. D40 was: Lav 1st 1st 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd Lav Guard. But I can't find a photo just at the moment.

Mike
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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Mike

Great minds and all that...

I too was thinking WCJS and would concur D40 is most likely. Plan attached. I can't find a photo of the compartment side thereof but attach one of a D39A vehicle to show the similarity. Both come from 'A Register of West Coast Joint Stock' by Casserley and Millard (HMRS Frome 1980. ISBN 0 902835 04 1)

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Alisdair
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Re: Another Coach Mystery

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Ah! Should have thought beyond the obvious when looking at the livery. (Not that WCJS on the HR main line is not pretty obvious.)The WCJS D40 makes sense. I'll catalogue the photo accordingly.
Thanks all, for your help.
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Post by duncan »

Would also make sense given the long destination board.
Happy & healthy New Year to All
Duncan
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