New Layout Blog - Crawford

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RossB
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As some of you will know I've made a start on my new 00 gauge layout and thought I'd share what I've been upto. This isn't intended as a blow by blow account of constructing the layout, just some occasional updates and a few pictures of progress. The layout is housed in my spare room and measures aprox 8' x 11'. It is a double track main line running round the room with a large non-scenic fiddle yard. It is based on the Caledonian Main Line around Crawford and will include the station and a representation of the viaduct. I wanted a layout where I could just sit back and watch trains running through the scenery hence the simple track plan for the scenic section. The time period for the layout isn't too specific, anywhere from around 1900 until the grouping. I tend to run set trains from a set period and the layout is intended more for 'playing trains' than prototypical operation, indeed many of the trains I have wouldn't have been see on that part of the line.
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Two of the baseboards, pretty standard construction. There are 9 in total. The layout isn't intended to ever leave home but I wanted the boards to be small enough to be manageable single handed and it means the layout can be pulled apart if it ever needs to be moved.

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A general overview of the room. Quite a bit of progress since then!

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Mapping out roughly where the track will go. The signal box is just a place holder and will be replaced with a scratch built example in due course.


Currently most of the track in the fiddle yard is laid but not yet fully wired up. The mainline through the scenic section is just loosely laid and clipped together for now. I wanted to test a few trains round the curves before committing to fixing them down, a major rethink would have been required if my 12-wheel stock would go round them! I've uploaded a few short videos to YouTube showing trains running, links below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn9DvvRzfo
An old DJH Class 439 with a local passenger set. The carriages are mix of kits, scratch built and modifies RTR. This is about the limit of what it can pull without slipping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkydh7eXcE
A part finished River Class (DJH on a Hornby Black 5 chassis) on perhaps an excursion train. I would normally run these as two separate trains but the engine copes easily with them. The 'suburban set' at the front was made from some old Tri-ang non-corridor clerestory coaches suitably modified

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EGhtPkrkiY
And finally for now a Jumbo (DJH again) on a mineral train.

Ross
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Unlike RMweb, there's no 'like' button on here, so consider this a 'like'! :)

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Alan K
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Post by Alan K »

Very impressive rolling stock there Ross. I liked the long trains of CR coaches in particular.
I can't see how you've joined your boards so that they can be pulled apart. If you haven't already tried them I'd recommend pattern-makers dowels - said to be more stable than wooden dowels for maintaining alignment.

Alan
jasp
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Great stuff, Ross. Thank you for sharing.
A wee article for TTL perhaps?
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Thanks for the comments. For aligning the baseboards I used DCC Concepts fitting and bolt/wing nuts to secure. A few more pictures showing the current state of the layout:
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An overview of the room.

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The fiddle yard.

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What will be the station area with the crossover and single siding.

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The lift out section in front of the door. This was going to be a non-scenic section but looking at it in place I think I might add a short little scenic scene in here.

Ross
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A couple more videos;

An ex-ROD 2-8-0 on a goods. The engine is a modified Bachmann model and was described in the True Line. Wagons are again a mix of kits, scratch built and modified RTR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S252FVbXLpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_7fXx7zy8

A Pickersgill 4-4-0 with a mixed set of corridor coaches. The engine was a Nu-Cast kit built and painted for the previous owner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbQA0N40R0c


Ross
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Thanks for those, Ross.
That train of goods stock was a wonderful collection, and the smooth running was also a pleasure to watch.
More power to your elbow.

JimS
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I have visited Ross a couple of times and can only say the photos/videos don’t do his handy work justice.

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A fine collection of stock, I enjoyed the videos.

The layout is taking shape well, a good space to work with.
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Thanks for the comments. The 2-8-0 uses the standard Bachmann mechanism and is fitted with a 'stay alive' decoder.

Another short video of trains running on the layout; the River again and CR123. The River is probably my best engine as far as running is conceded (even if it might not look it!). The empty stock train is quite a bit longer than I would normally intend to run and was made up to test the haulage capacity of the engine. Stock is again a mix of kits, scratch built and modified RTR. One problem I have found is that the buffers of the LNWR/WCJS vehicles tend to lock on the curves. The issue seems to be simply due to the length of the buffers on these carriages and so consideration has to be given to the makeup of trains until I can replace the buffers with sprung examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4VzXeLigLw

Ross
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That all looks brilliant Ross I especally enjoyed the videos.
Is there any chance of some close up photos of the lifting section by the door in both the open and closed position with maybe a description on how you went about it?

Steve
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Loved the latest clip, Ross.
Apart from the impressive range of stock, the occasional squeal of a wheelset on the rails and the clicking of a rail joint really added to the atmosphere.Don't engineer out these sounds!

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I've started to modify the lift out section, I was never entirely happy with the alignment. I think it may have moved out of position slightly when I was fitting the securing clips so I've decided to lift the track and add some extra alignment dowels. When it's fully secured I'll relay the track through that section and put up a couple of pictures.

I can't take credit for all of the stock, quite a few were picked up online or at exhibitions. Some of the 6 wheelers screech round the curves but as you say adds to the atmosphere. I was planning on cutting some slits in the tops of the rails to give that clickity clack sound like the layout at Bo'ness. It was pretty effective when it saw it operating during the Caley weekend.

Ross
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As I started running trains on the layout I found that some engines and coaches objected to the Peco points that I had used in the fiddle yard. I used a number of 3-way and Y points to save space but because of the frequency of derailments I concluded that the only option was to rip it all up and start again. The solution was to use Peco curved points to bring all the sidings back together on the curve. Here is a before and after showing the replacement of one of the Y points. The 3-way in the foreground will be replaced in due course.

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And a shot of the right had end of the fiddle yard. Still not quite finished but getting there. The new layout also has the advantage that some of the sidings are a little longer than they were previously. The only engine that is a bit restricted is the Hornby P2 but that won't be a regular engine on the layout so I can live with it only running on the outer track.

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The original plan was to control the layout with a Bachmann Dynamis Ultima system connected up to a computer running the companion software. I found however that the setup just wasn't going to be up to the job of doing what I wanted. Due to the size of the fiddle yard I wanted some form of route setting to be able to easily operate it. Unfortunately the Dynamis system is a little too basic to allow route setting and the software doesn't add many extra features so I decided to upgrade to an NCE system. This should allow any route to be set by using the macro function and it allows for future expansion such a full automation of the layout.

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I've also completed the lift out section, just need find the pictures I took of it!

Ross
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Great work Ross. I love your carriages and NCPS and am very envious. Tony B
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Thanks Tony. I'll take some pictures of the rolling stock and describe them .

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A few more videos taken today.

The River Class again, this time on a mineral train headed by some vans. The LNWR van is one or a pair scratch built by the previous owner. The meat van was built from a Decent Models kit and the passenger brake is an ex-WCJS example built from an old whitemetal Keyser kit. I replaced the cast metal roof with a plastic one to save weight but it still weighs more than most 12 wheel coaches. The mineral wagons are a mix of TLM kits, whitemetal and scratch built.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVNfIHSMj28

Cardean is an old GEM kit on a Hornby B12 chassis. It sounds pretty rough but it runs fairly well. The tender is very heavy and not very free running hence the short train. It could really do with a new chassis but it will do for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-FX4PV9qX4

No. 97 again, this time with a short van train. The vans as from a variety of sources. The meat van was picked up at an exhibition and looks to have been scratch built from card. The two WCJS fish vans are from Mallard Models kits. The one in full passenger livery was purchased as is while the brown one was built by myself. The CR 6 wheel van (currently unpainted) was scratch built using the Silhouette cutter and the passenger brake was another online auction purchase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pal0x-VSpro

Last two for now; a Dunalastair IV with a local train. The engine body and tender are made from brass and nickel silver and look to have been scratch built. It didn't come with a chassis so I fitted one from a Hornby T9. The Highland coach was built from a Lochgorm kit and still needs a kit of finishing. Next is a 45' composite from an old Tri-ang model followed by a Decent Models van. The 6 wheel composite was scratch built and has featured on the forum before. Next is a Ratio kit representing a later 48' third and finally a brake composite from a London Road kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLddpCx7JU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyVl_k3MUg

Ross
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A compilation video this time;
1. CR No.97 pauses at what will be the station with a south bound local service while an ex-ROD 2-8-0 No. 2157 heads north with a lengthy goods train.
2. No. 97 again, this time passing through at speed.
3. CR No. 173 with a mineral train.
4. A River class heading north with a secondary passenger train including two horse boxes.
5. CR No.123 with the inspection saloon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bI9sa79VMo

Ross
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Great stuff!
Thanks
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Latest video.

https://youtu.be/JISZFI7g70g

Ross
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Post by Dave John »

Good running there with some impressive stock Ross.
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A splendid few minutes, Ross.
And I appreciated the tail lamp!

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Brilliant Ross. I love your carriages and NPCS. You must give us some tips on how you get such a good finish on your models.
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Not much progress with the layout of late, too busy building stock! I've uploaded another video showing the trains currently on the layout. These clips were taken on my phone so the video quality isn't too great in places. I'll start another thread on the rolling stock with some better pictures and descriptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQM8owc8EE

Ross
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Four minutes well spent by your lineside, Ross.
A wonderful variety of stock to behold. I didn't expect the Birdcage ones, though.
Many thanks,

JImS
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